tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC October 14, 2014 12:00am-1:01am PDT
that you would rather lose an election than cheat. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonights e, on "all in," wendy davis doubles down on a con tro verse yal campaign add. >> a tree fell on greg abbot. he sued and got millen yous. >> the first and only debate in the marquee race. we've got news from kentucky. a texas nurse tests positive for ebola and the cdc tries to explain what went wrong. protesters square off across a generational divide. >> missouri is the new mississippi. scott brown may be down at the polls. he's got it blocked off.
>> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. breaking news tonight, a man from kansas is being tested for ebola. we've seen a number of scares like this in recent days. this one is different. the man just returned from working as a ship's medic off the coast of africa. the hospital described the care being taken to avoid any contamination. this news comes as the cdc is re-evaluating its response to the ebola epidemic after its first known transmission to the virus in the u.s. >> we have to rethink the way we address ebola infection control. even a single infection is unacceptable. >> the patient -- the second patient and first to get ebola in the united states has now been identified as nina fomm, a dallas nurse who contracted the
disease while helping treat the first patient with ebola in the u.s. he was diagnosed in this country and died last wednesday. fomm was not among the initial people identified. a hospital sending him home under the belief he had a sinus infection. he was finally diagnosed a second time. she was wearing personal protective equipmented and extensively following cdc protocols to avoid contamination. it's still not known how the nurse contracted the virus. they're monitoring an additional 50 hospital workers who may have been exposed. here's what's so troubling about this latest development. there are now over 8,000 cases of ebola in west africa. it's been clear that thanks to international air travel, the disease would spread. the reason we've all been told
there's no cause for panic here in the u.s. has been that in developed countries, we have the know-how and infrastructure to prevent and outbreak. >> the chances of an ebola outbreak here in the united states are extremely low. we know how to prevent it from spreading. we know how to care for those who contract it. we know that if we take the proper steps, we can save lives. >> this is a tried and trued protocol. this is what we do in public health. it's what we do in this country for a variety of infectious diseases and it's what we do at cdc globally in ebola cases. i have no doubt that we'll stop this in its tracks in the u.s. >> there have been two cases of ebola transmission outside west africa, one in madrid and one in dallas. in both cases, the people got sick were nurses in the developed world who should have had all the resources they needed to stay safe. clearly, something isn't working. who today declaring it the worst health emergency of the modern
era. the nbc news freelancer who contracted ebola in liberia wrote in a tweet today now that i've had firsthand experience of a scourge of a disease, i'm even more pained at how little care sick west africans are receiving. deborah burger, registered nurse, deborah, national nurses united have been sounding the alarm about this. i was first inclined to think perhaps you were being an alarmist. but now we have the case of a nurse getting the disease even after the cdc protocols were we now have another patient in a kansas hospital who is being tested and, presumably, similar protocols there. what's your reaction? >> my reaction is just pure anger. the fact that we have been saying that our hospitals are not prepared to deal with such a highly communicable disease, a
deadly disease. we've been trying to raise the alarm to our employers to the general public to our congressional representatives, to the cdc to say that we know that they're grossly unprepared to deal with this. >> the dallas nurse who has contracted the disease, at first, the cdc's reaction seemed to be that she must have not followed the protocol. those protocols are quite involved. not super-easy, necessarily, to follow. your reaction to the initial statement. >> that reaction was ludicrous. these personnel were trained to use the equipment. what we're saying and what's bourn out in our surveys is that nurses weren't given the
hands-on education and training to use these piece of protective equipment. they haven't had the practice or the drills or the education. and you only become familiar with it and comfortable the more you use its and, right now, those guidelines and that ability to practice with that equipment is not being provided in our hopts. >> are you confident that the hospital officials are saying there's a low-to-moderate risk that he is apparently vomiting, he was working on a medic in a ship off of west africa. this isn't a ludicrous idea that he could have contracted -- contacted the disease. are you confident the protocol is being used in that hopt right now as we speak by the center for cdc are sufficient? >> i'm not confident at all. right now, the cdc has two standards of care. what they recommend for
hospitals to use is completely different from what the people that work in the cdc lab use for their work when they're dealing with the deadly virus ebola. and we're concerned that they're setting a precedent for two levels of care. >> so explain that to me. so you're saying that the protocol that's being disseminated and established by the cdc is less rigorous and protective for their own workers? >> exactly. if you were a worker dealing with one vile of ebola, you would be in a negative pressure room, you would have a positive pressure hood to wear, you would have a hazmat suit, you would have a buddy that cleans you when you came out of the isolation area into a separate isolation room. however, when you're in a hospital and you're a nurse, they recommend a fluid-impermeable gown, booties, maybe leg coverings, a mask, maybe shield and head covering and double gloves.
so those are two entirely different levels of care. >> and clearly in the case of presbyterian, they were inadequate. >> it was shocking to a lot of people that the nurse in question was not one of the 48 being monitored. i think people assumed that the nurse was one of the people treated mr. duncan with the disease when it was most communicable. were you surprised? >> no, i wasn't surprised. the thing is that none of the personnel actually had buddies that they were buddied up with when they were providing care. in some of those areas, and so there is always the possibility for contamination and exposure when you're not actually paired with another person to monitor your movements. >> that's very interesting.
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elections. the last furious days of the campaign have officially kicked off with big debates with the future of the u.s. senate. and with the control of the senate balanced on a nice edge, the campaigns are tightening. greg orman is up by three against republican senator pat roberts. latest pull in that race has republican ernst up by three. that's brailey with an r to those watching. tonight, at this hour, all eyes are on kentucky where democrat alison grimes is battling in a deep, deep red state against most of the country. right now, the two are facing off in their first and only debate of the cycle.
it's a big moment for grimes. and she's going to the debate with her campaign being trashed left, right and center. much of the criticism stems from the meeting with the louisville courier general's editorial last week. >> did you vote for president obama 2008-2012? >> this election isn't about the president. it's about making sure we put kentucians back to work. >> did you vote for him? >> i was on the way to delegate. i think people are kentucky know i'm a democrat through and through. i respect the sanctity of the ballot box and i know that the members of this editorial board do, as well. >> kentucky expects her to cast a tough vote on anything?
is she ever going to answer a tough question on anything? >> so you're not going to answer? >> i'm mitch mcconnell and i approve this message. >> i think she disqualified herself. >> the republic said yesterday that grimes is running the worst senate campaign in a year. you think she'd be getting blown out with getting attacked on both sides. but here's the thing, she's not at all. she eds in to tonight's debate basically in a tie with mitch mcconnell. so what does that say about mitch mcconnell and what does it say about voters who generally feel about the powers that be in the modern campaign.
>> i think republicans are trying just as hard as they can to make this a referendum on president obama. and alison is trying just as hard to make sure that this is a referendum on the ballot, who is mitch mcconnell. so she is not going to say who she pulled the lever for in a private voting booth. and he is not -- >> [ laughter ] >> and he is not going to say what he wants to do to raise the minimum wage and gender discrimination in pay, whether climate change is real. >> what you just did there was a graceful pivot. i think it's the gracefulest plotting pift to talking points. >> we are not arguing whether or not a pivot was graceful enough. there are issues that actually mattered to kentucky families that she is willing to talk about and he is dodging all over the place. and that is why she has kept him as close as she has in the polls. >> the other thing, look, this is the way a modern campaign has been erected. it's kind of a video game for avoiding gaffes.
and what she has done for all -- whatever people say about, oh, it's ridiculous she didn't answer this and i think her stances on coal are preposterous. i think a lot of things she said are wrong. and, yet, she has done the thing -- i love this quote in the new republy piece saying there's a reason mcconnell hasn't won one add for talking. >> this is a deep, deep red state and this is the most powerful republican in the senate. people have been writing off alison grimes since before she was announced. >> it's nos broken in some fundamental way.
>> i am so happy to have that at times. >> it's not alison grimes, like, you know, she's got to operate in the genera she's operating in, which i understand. but i think it says something about the way we've constructed campaigns in the sort of political media complex that it is essentially advantageous to make sure nobody runs a clip of you saying anything. mark, you, the other night, said something about medicare that was a completely trivial statement that is now going to get spit back in his face and called a gaffe. here's mitch mcconnell on climate change, which i think is a bitter gaffe. >> if climate change is a problem, and, do you believe it is or not? >> i'm not a scientist. all i can tell you is that country after country after country, given a choice between pursuing this goal and their own economic growth and choosing economic growth. >> i'm not a scientist.
i any that's a gaffe. no one is going to call it a gaffe, but it's a preposterous thing to say. >> and the reason why it matters so much is because it has substantive implications for the vote he's asking for. >> this is where she attacks reagan's amnesty back in the 1980s. calling it morally reprehensible. what do you think? >> i think she's talking -- i haven't scene the ad yet, but i think she's talking to the hip pock ra sill of mitch mcconnell. i think it's a character attack on whether he's going to stick to principles where as she will. >> yeah, all right, all right. i guess that's the best answer you can give. although, presumably, i've heard
she's for imdwrags reform. it's hard to see how that helps come act. you're very good at this, thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> alison grimes was just one of the states that democrats were most excited by this cycle. one of the others is wendy davis who is running for governor who, unlike grimes, is losing by some big margins. latest poll has her down by 11 poipts. she's going to go down swinging. as evidence's by an ad she went against texas state attorney attorney general greg abbott who was hit by a tree and has been in a wheelchair ever since. >> that ad, i think understandably, got a lot of flak.
>> the intent was to demonstrate greg abbott's hi pock ra sill. he rightfully had an opportunity to access the justice system when he was a the receiving end of a tragic accident. but ever since, he has been actively fighting to close that door and deny that access to others. >> again, the davis campaign was doubling down the ad. this afternoon, davis had two supporters in wheelchairs to highlight what she says is abbott hypocrisy. this ad has gotten a lot of national attention. how is it playing in texas? >> not well, really. not so much for the substance of the ad, but for the tactic of using the image of the empty wheelchair at the beginning of the ad, that's seen as maybe touching the third rail. not something that was particularly smart or politic
for her to do. but what's gotten loss is the substance of the edge. she's been taking hits mostly for the tactic. >> yeah, and what's struck me about the ad, and you will sort of had the same kind of cringe reaction a lot of people had. you can call off the first three seconds and run the next 27 seconds and it's perfectly -- it's an attack ad, but it's basically this guy is not signing with you, he's not helping other people. if you do that, then the natural rebuttal is real gli? you're going after this guy who's in a wheelchair. but the way it ends upcoming off is a little tough to stomach. >> she has been running a series of ads and is working on behalf of powerful friends or insiders. no one's paid attention. if you cut off the first image, the one that's gotten all of the atechx, no one would be talking about this ad. i wouldn't be here talking to you about this ad. we have entered the doug flutey phase of this campaign.
it's d fourth quarter. we're in four-down territory. she's losing the game. she's got to put the bam in the ends zone. that's what she's got to get done here. >> texas voters are very conservative. is that fundamentally the issue here? she's on tough territory. or is this campaign not lived up to the expectations? >> can i choose both? i think the answer is both. on the one hand, she was always pushing a big rock up a big hill in a state that's not just red, but is blood red. any democrat, has really been the underdog by a cig nif cant margin. i think this latest thing, which you can sort of see the first three seconds of this ad being something of an unforced error, the substance of the ad notwithstanding. the tactic is an unforced error. she's done everything she possibly can to stay in this
race and to be competitive. but in the end, as you said, the polls are not looking very good. she can conceivably win this race like bill white in 2010 which just a few months ago, would have been unthinkable. >> i don't want to write the obituary, we've got three weeks. >> it will only be over on election day, as the cliche goes. >> and that's a very true cliche, as everyone ha prooued time and time again. >> well, the reality is the battleground texas effort which was the martialling of the obama 2012 texas to try to turn the
state purple, if they couldn't turn it blue, at least try to get it closer. now there are some people saying well, if we don't get wendy davis into the governor's office, this is really about 2016, its's really about hillary. the reality is there's been more talk of democrats becoming competitive than there has been any visible signs of competitiveness. >> that's not true in texas, but there hantd been a statewide elected democrat since anne richards. and, fascinatingly enough, has smaller margins. evan smith, always a pleasure. thank you.
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louisiana senator mary landreau has been tapping the frat well with consider expense. she had a tailgate party last weekend where she easily assisted this man in doing a keg stand. here's the senator wearing a white shirt doing the wobble, a dance that resembles the electric slide at a more recent tailgate. but not every college football party/campaign experience goes as well. as i learned from washington this video of scott brown who is now running in the granite state at a university of new hampshire tailgate this weekend. some of the students yelled obscenities about her current opponent and his former opponent and told them to go back to massachusetts.
>> he's available, voters of new hampshire. here's the thing about campaigning at a college frat party. they are college boys who can and will say really dumb stuff. and now you're on tape with them saying dumb stuff. here he is with a beer bong shoved in his face. as a general rule, friends don't let friends fratpaign.
of the ferguson police department. he was one of 42 taken into custody according to st. louis dispatch. the protest took place this morning in driving rain which didn't seem to dampen the spirits of the crowd. at one point, a clergy member lied down inside of an outline of a body drawn in chalk. protesters were chanting that black lies matter, but all lies matter. arrested outside of a walmart and so far civil disobedience is taking place at st. louis university, ferguson police department, st. louis city hall, walmart and a fundraiser for county executive candidate stinger, who is being hosted by claire mccatskill. today's demonstrations were a protest marking two months sense unarmed mike brown was shot and killed.
dan wilson was still drawing a paycheck. in wake of the shooting death of myers last week who was killed last week by an off-duty st. louis police officer. protests have spread all over the saint lewis metro area. over the weekend, hundreds of people march through blocks of a sitting through a much larger gathering at st. louis university. more than a thousand people showed up. for the most part, st. louis police, the metro police, have kept their distance and marginally noted the big confrontation we saw last august. in what's being called ferguson october, there's a tension with actors and protesters on the scene. and last night, that division cracked open when young protesters demanded that older protesters listen to what they had to say. >> why don't you talk about the union? >> they're in pain.
let them speak. [ applause ] >> for us, this is not an academic issue. like i said a few weeks ago, people who want to take the time to break down racism from a philosophical level, you all did not show up. your tanks and the armored trucks were there, and the tear gas was there and we was getting hit with the rubber bullets and we said you know what, i can't stay home for this. i can't stay home for this. they killing us. literally. missouri is the new mississippi. >> joining me now, msnbctrymaine lee. trymanie, this weekend has seen an expansion of the scope of all of this.
it's striking how much that initial protest focused on ferguson and the make-up of the police there. what we're seeing now is taking over the entire st. louis metro area, it seems. >> what you saw earlier, the anchor action, the more monday-style protest, kind of throwback where clergy presented themselves. they surrendered themselves to the police in mike brown. 43 people were arrested. but after that, you saw groups at the walmart, i was at city hall earlier where they hung up banners and wanted to see the mayor. people gathered. a few arrested. more what we saw in the police station, it spread across the region in a very remarkable fashion. >> yeah, and if you're the mayor of st. louis or the st. louis police, you understand there is going to be no walling this off as this plays out in the future with the grand jury still deliberating about possible
charges against the office in question. this is, you know, this is an issue for st. louis metro police. and it's been interesting to watch the police respond tactically to the protesters in a kind of back and forth that's been playing out in numerous different con tron facts. what have you gleaned from that? >> i think law enforcement learned a lot from the early days the first few days after michael brown was killed. it seemed that police weren't sure of what they're doing. i've talked to many protesters who spent night after night in the shaw neighborhood. those police officers would substantial doubt back. they'd sometimes beat their night sticks on their shin guards or the ground. and they described an ambush where they didn't see it coming. it's much more tactical, on both sides, on the police side, they're being more tactical not being just random.
>> and i thought that interfaced service last night i believe it was, and he's been a guest on this show both when we were in ferguson and just the other night when i was here. he spoke -- there is just this raw frustration that's an anger directed not only at the police, not only at the institutions in power, locally, but a broader sort of leadership class that a lot of folks in ferguson don't feel like are serving them. are sufficiently agitated over what they're seeing. you were there at the service. what was it like? >> you don't have to look too far. any previous civil actions, a young john lewis with the freedom writers. you look at torey rustle and look at all of these young, emerging leaders and they don't have time to talk to a clergy member.
they say they were here 65 days. getting fired at with rubber bullets and tear gas. so i talked to torey russel who delivered this fiery speech last night. he said they come down here now and try to tell us how to organize. how to take action in the street. we've been taking action for 65 days. they pointed to one very prominent civil rights leader who came to town to try to offer trainings on, you know, civil disobedience and the non-violent protest and getting paid for this. that frustrated him to no end. he said he was getting calls right before the session last night and he just couldn't take it anymore. >> there's some polling out that shows how wide the racial gap is in st. louis. when asked if the shooting of an african american team was justified, 62% of whites said it was along with 35% of blacks. you see a 30 point margin there
and that's -- how palpable is it on the street there? >> it's palpable in many stances on the other hand, it's kind of an invisible line. they've grown more diverse. but you're not seeing white members of the ferguson community out here, you know, one way or the other. you're not seeing counter protests. everyone is kind of at bay. the marker had been those i love ferguson signs. it seemed the white law enforcement officers have remained in command. sunni militant group has an
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sunni militant group has an englishmanagement group. kmiting atrocities around the wormd. none of them revel in the way isis does. it's called dabiq. their latest issue explains to the world why they're enslaving women and children from the minority. the group tended to cleanse in northern iraq, which, don't forget, is what reignited intervention in iraq in the first place just over two months ago. >> in recent days, men, women and children have fled for their lives. thousands, perhaps tens of thousands are hiding way up on
the mountain with little but the clothes on their back. earlier this week, one iraqi cried to the world there is no one coming to help. well, today, america is coming to help. >> the president had authorized targeted air strikes against isis and humanitarians to aid. isis cites religious justification for the enslaving and it may cut down on the sin of adultery, which i am not making that up. isis mill tants are perhaps the most in religious text in recent memory. in addition to being revolting, isis suggested enslavement and is sure to add fuel to the fire. the on going debate in what isis represents in relation to the rest of the muslim world. it's a debate that's been gathering and one that's now
metastasized in a big fight about political islam in what they believe or don't believe, condemn or don't condemn. >> another person who's been thrust to the center of this debate is a religious scholar. he appeared on cnn to rebut islam, this happened. >> so you don't think that there's anything more -- the justice system in muslim countries you don't think is somehow more primitive or subjugates women more. >> did you hear what you just said? muslim countries. i just told you in indonesia, women are equal to men. in turkey, they have had more female heads of state in turkey than we have in the united states. stop saying things like muslim countries.
>> breslin argues that bill mawr is not the only one getting it wrong when it comes to understanding islam. there's a real lack of sophistication on both sides of the argument when it comes to discuss violence. i've argued with him about faith, christianity and islam. i've been wanting to talk to him about how he thinks people's faith including muslims get it wrong when it comes to religious violence. stop saying things like you make a great team.
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stop saying things like muslim countries. >> that's a problem for pakistan. so let's criticize pakistan. >> he was playing a little bit of the race-religion part on you guys. he was saying you're calling everybody the same. his tone was very angry. he wound up kind of demonstrating what people were fearful about when they think of the faith in the first place, which is the hostility of it. >> joining me now, that very man whose tone was recently described as angry. you've always struck me as such a happy, go-lucky individual. >> chris, i promise, i will do my best not to scare you with my tongue. >> what did you think of this whole thing? i sort of watched the thing with some morbid curiosity. particularly, that last comment on cnn that your tone exemplified the anger that makes
people fear islam. >> look, i think people in minority religions have heard that comment a lot. when you're confronted with some kind of generalization or bigoted comment and then you respond to that generalization or bigoted comment with passion and i was quite passionate in that interview. then it's thrown back at your face, a ha, you've proved what we've always thought about you is that your people are angry or scary or ear rash or ear rational. >> i've been catching flak for it myself of race or religion. when ben affleck said that's gross and racist, people say islam isn't a race. there are white muslims and south asian muslims and black muslims and all kinds of muslims. so what are you getting at when you're talking about racism sort
of showing itself in relation to this conversation that's happening about the faith of islam. >> well, it is the incorrect word to use, no doubt. i mean, you can use bigotry, you can use islamaphobia or zenaphobia. for most people, islam is a middle eastern or arab thing despite the fact that arabs make up 17 or 18% of the world's muslim population. those american muslims are bringing that "desert stuff" into our country. there is something deeply racist about that comment. >> well, anti-desertest, i think. >> okay, anti-desertist. >> so let's get to the sub staps. i thought your ad was remarkably clear about this. i want to cite this poll about bill mawr has sort of built a
incredibly frightening until you read the rest of the poll where 75% of egyptians wanted religious freedom. if that sounds like a contradiction, it is. religious and religious-lived experience is full of contradictions. 64% wanting the death penalty, that's scary. but, of course, in neighboring tunisia, it's about 12%. let's say lebanon, it's 1 in 6. in turkey, i's 5%. >> thor issue is can you look at a country to make some sort of broad generalizations about the lived experience of 1.6 billion muslims all around the world. you can't. and here's the problem. what i think mawr and harris are getting at. they want to condemn believes. frankly, look, i'm going to be honest with you. if you are some kind of ultra ort dox muslim who believes every word of the koran is
literal and that gays are going to hell and anyone who con verts should be killed. i don't have a problem with you. as long as it's just your belief. i don't care what you believe. it's actions that we need to be focusing on. we need to condemn actions, not believes. you can criticize believes, if you want to. >> i think it's fine to condemn believes, actually. but the more germane is that people saying they are religion is about as much identity. the perfect example of this is the catholic church. there's this huge diversion. i was raised a catholic, my father is a jesuit seminaern. i'm catholic. does it mean that you check off every part of the catechism? does it mean -- >> the entire apostolic creed. >> that's right. and nonprocreative sex is a sin or else you will rot in eternity for hell. no. i thought this document came from the pope today sort of thought as the belief system and
the tone and what religion really is in the guts of it more than what you answer to a poll. >> dma's right. there is a fundamental misunderstanding about the difference of a religious text and the experience of a religious community. that's what a lot of the simplistic, knee jerk criticism doesn't seem to g et. you can say a ha. that's the religion. except that for the people who live this religion, some of them agree with that, you know. some of them don't. some just ignore it. some interpret it away. some focus on other aspects of the scripture. religion is an infinitely diverse experience. and i was trained by jesuits. >> and they're the best in the entire world at reading bad stuff. >> that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow' show starts right now.
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